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hsd0006 · Joined: 19 Jul 2007 Posts: 9 Location: Western Illinois

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19874792/site/newsweek/page/2/

I think a lot of the people noted here just focus on the negatives of corn ethanol, while totally disregarding the fact that cellulose is the next step. Cellulose ethanol I think will silence a lot of these criticisms (critizisms?.

Alcohol · Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 634 Location: Central Wisconsin

Only briefly will cellulose ethanol silence the critics during it's honeymoon. There are critics for everything and silence from others (for example- the silent ones today are the animal rights groups who used to point out the that feeding animals and eating them is far less efficient than raising food crops and eating it directly).

Cellulose ethanol will likely be attacked in the future for being mono-crop (a few radicals might prefer corn fields reverted to unharvested natural prairies) or objections to occasional harvesting of waste in forested lands.

There will never be a lack of folks who do not want to see change or could be impacted negatively and are willing to help pay for "studies" to help their cause. The internet provides a forum for all but money rules with volume of "studies" to post. Today those who do not like corn ethanol would be oil producing nations, oil companies, Tyson Foods (pork/chicken), Premium Standard (pork), beef producers who moved away from grass fed to feedlot operations, western dairies who never raised their own corn, and consumers who get mislead by the above.
In the future the mix of who will be impacted will not shrink but may change.

One problem today is that anyone can access facts (such as ethanol subsidies) but ignore other facts (such as for every $1 of subsidies- the Federal Govt treasury gains $3 in savings in farm programs/ economic growth OR subsidies/ depletion allowances to oil companies). It is simply reality in a free nation.

Fredster · Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Posts: 111

my opinion is, partly overuse of corn in american foods is a great causing factor in their overweightness anyways

but only a part of the corn is actually produced in ethanol

most of it is actually for livestock or humans

i think it should feed mostly livestock and the rest to cars only a little to humans

the best way for environmentalist (the only way for mankind) is to multiply the technologies related to industrialism and transportation so that you could flatten the critical level of energy lackage and widen the pollution variety ... thus actually reducing the focused negative effect

e85 is one way ... hydrogen with germany's 750 h bimmer

but germany is more efficient in energy consumption (ok not as cold in winter) and actually produces serious quantities of electricity from windmills

california with their hybrid technologies ...

we just need to reduce the amount of fossil fuel consumption and use more wider variety of energy resources ...
corn fuel is an option
this gaz is more clean while burning ... already the aeronautical industries is hard at work at finding solutions for alternative fuels

especially at high altitude, this really makes a difference ... really
such as laminar flow wings

we need to make a serious bend on the technological road

the problem is this bus is a little too heavy for the bend we're about to take

we're about to whitness problably at the beginning of the 3rd millenium an energetic crisis ... the key of, should humans survive, the dark skies of the emptiness

it's just like a good investment plan you're better off multiplying the markets of your wallet ... the same way you're better off multiplying the next best possible energy avenue

the ethanol produces significantly less atmospherical pollution than the gazoline anyways, and it is really more powerfull with this gaz ... i used the sunucco's 10% gaz and it felt like a sparky springly spirited little engine it just woke up to it

i guess you could try 85% on a recent car without modifying it ... probably best is to go with progressively increasing increments and find the best mix best suited to the type of driving